Breaking Down Jay-Z’s Roots Picnic Freestyle And The Names Behind The Bars

Jay-Z’s Roots Picnic freestyle lights up the timeline, so we argue whether the bars stand on their own or whether the moment feels bigger than the music. From Drake and publishing shots to Kanye crossing the family line, we debate what rap beef means now and who should actually respond on wax. 

• why a live freestyle feels different than a diss record 
• mixed reactions to Jay-Z’s delivery and the role of nostalgia 
• whether Jay-Z belongs in top three or top five 
• longevity as a key part of hip hop greatness 
• who stays relevant over decades like Nas, Snoop, E-40 
• Drake taking jabs and the ownership and publishing angle 
• the “losers bracket” idea for artists coming off public battle Ls 
• Kanye West comments about Jay-Z’s kids and why that line matters 
• skepticism about apologies that arrive with album cycles and tours 
• whether Nicki Minaj should answer in rap form 
• Jay-Z calling beef bad for the culture then dissing anyway 
• quick takes on Drake’s Iceman and listening habits 

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Opening Banter And Guest Intros

SPEAKER_00 0:03

But it do what it is. You already know the vibes. It's your boy, Mr. Bear, aka say your name up on his five. Might not work with you to mock. You know what I'm saying? Y'all should notice uh already. Um Jay Z did a freestyle. And as a content creator, I feel like it's my obligation to discuss Jay-Z doing a freestyle, cuz it's what the hip hop world is talking about right now. So we're gonna do a hip-hop episode. So I got I got my fellas with me, I got some guests with me. Uh first up. What's up, Joe?

SPEAKER_03 0:49

Man, I can't call it. How you doing, Cube?

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Oh man, another, another wonderful day. I'm glad not to be selling drinks right now.

SPEAKER_03 0:57

You know what I mean? Oh, I bet, man. I bet. It's too hot out there for that right now, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Um, Joe, is anything you would like to promote at this time?

SPEAKER_03 1:06

Of course, man. You know, I always want to uh come check out our YouTube, our podcast. We are available now at Walmart, Kmart, Sears. I think we got something to Camelot here soon. Um, service merchandise is about to be coping our uh podcast on vinyl. Uh, if you don't know about that, well, respectfully, you're wrong. I like service merchandise.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

I like what you did there. I like what you did there. Thank you. I try. You know, what I always say with here, you know, it's this whole mix bad thing does not work without this brother.

unknown 1:43

Mr.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

Brake, even though I ain't the break last this time, because I I did ask him in advance. But Mr. Break Last himself. What up, Will?

SPEAKER_02 1:50

What's going on, everybody? Happy to be here. Even though I feel like I've been stalled out lately, I'm gonna speak my truth. You know what? The urge just came to me and said, speak your truth, brother. I'm gonna speak my truth. I feel like I've been stalled out lately. I ain't been on a damn show in months. I'll be like, man, I look up. I done grew a beard down to my ankles, damn there, fucking around, waiting for the show to call me.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Okay. You wanna know what the crazy thing is? This is my first look. Uh Jerry showing up the word, so we ain't, you know, we ain't got the break glass on there. And then this is my first uh hold up that I'd have had guests.

SPEAKER_02 2:33

So as a as a substitute teacher, I guess I'm gonna have to get another job. Because these teachers won't call in. These are fuckers just showed up every day. Bullshit.

SPEAKER_00 2:45

But you know, we I do got a summer lineup lined up for you on uh from my perspective. Because you said you ain't did sports, and I was like, I yeah, we we gonna be we gonna be doing some debate in this summer. So I I already got some stuff lined up for you in July. You know what I'm saying? We just got you know, we gotta get there. But we're gonna get there. But yeah, like I said, this stuff don't really work out what I will, because he does every show. Only sure he ain't well, he ain't given he gotta do respectfully wrong. We're gonna have to pop him on there soon. He ain't did Big Sus show. But really, if you're in the read books, I can tell Big Sus, you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

No, man, I ain't reading shit. I only read stop signs. On I just keep going.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

They do the books and the TV shows over, so you know I ain't nah, bruh. Yeah, no, but uh yeah, we're gonna get into we gotta talk about the Jay-Z

Jay-Z Freestyle At Roots Picnic

SPEAKER_00 3:40

first. And before we get into who he dissed, what he said, and all of that, he did he did this freestyle at the roost picnic, he got the reasonable down in the uh the blueprint celebration coming off in July at Yankee Stadium, then he got another show that Sunday called Extra Endings, which I'm pretty sure he just gonna perform a bunch of other rest of it. But so in the freestyle. Was it a good freestyle? Was it how did you feel about the freestyle? Was it a good freestyle or was it just hyped up because it was Jay and it was nostalgic?

SPEAKER_03 4:24

I enjoyed it, you know, like I'm not the biggest Jay-Z fan. I don't listen to a lot of his music. I I do like it more than Drake, but that's another story.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Um Drake is already.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

Okay. But uh, no, man, see, you know, I can't say that like to me it would be a nostalgia thing because you know, I've never sat there and really, I think, aside from Watch the Throne and maybe that one album that came out with uh, what was that, that Samsung phone or something that came pre-installed with it? I can't remember the name of that one.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

But yeah, yeah, I know what you're gonna tell me.

SPEAKER_03 5:09

You know, yeah. So other than those two, man, I'll be honest, I've never really sat and listened to like a Jay-Z album. So I kind of just approached it like just let me hear what he's saying as a as a freestyle, and just he sounded like he really had something he wanted to get off his chest, and he did. You know, like he really went out there as he's going on, he sounds like he's getting angrier and angrier with his tone. And the more I like, so you know, as I'm saying, like I don't listen to him that much, so I had to go in there and like Google a lot of this stuff to see, like, all right, I know he's taking shots at a bunch of people, and I can tell like some of it who he's talking about, but I gotta get a breakdown of it, and as I do, I'm like, damn, like he really was like getting me cutthroat on some of this, man. Yeah, he gave me so yeah. I I gotta give him his props for it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

I I really enjoyed it. Uh so for me, I knew he was performing at the Roos Picnic. I listened to Jay, right? I knew he was performing at the Roos Picnic. I knew he was gonna do a freestyle, I knew he was gonna diss people, but I didn't know watching people's video recaps, he did one song and then he went straight to the freestyle. So it's like, like you said, he wanted to get something off his chest. Like, hey, this I got a lot of y'all been talking, a lot of things have been going on, so I want to address all the stuff that's going on. Uh well, do you think this was the proper place to address everything that was going on, or should he have, you know, released a record instead of doing the freestyle at a brute beginning?

SPEAKER_02 6:56

Nah, so just go ahead and do that freestyle. I mean, to me, I ain't I ain't enjoy it that much, but you know, go ahead and drop that shit. I mean, why release a whole album? We don't need all that shit. Just say what you gotta say, get it off your chest. Niggas didn't used to release albums for freestyle, I mean for disc records. That's that new age shit. Niggas just drop the disc in the middle of anywhere. That's how he did it. You feel me? You just dropped this disc and uh, you know, let it live there. So I I will say I thought it was appropriate where he did it at. I wasn't the biggest fan of it. So I mean, I'll say that too. But you know, hey, um, I've only listened to it once or twice. I haven't deciphered it like other people. I haven't gotten into social media's debate of it as far as you know telling me what to look for. So I ain't there yet with it. Uh probably won't get there with it. I really feel like it came out of nowhere and nobody really was like, I I didn't feel like that was the energy of what was happening right now, but maybe on the other side it was. I just didn't feel that. So, you know, I I I appreciate it and get off his chest though.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Let me say what you gotta say. Well, I have to ask since you alluded to it. Why what did you dislike about it?

Delivery Versus Nostalgia Debate

SPEAKER_02 8:20

I didn't like the delivery of it.

SPEAKER_00 8:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:24

Um now let me say this. I didn't watch the whole picnic. Uh I watched the segments that people said what the diss of the, you know. So you talking about him performing the song before and then doing the diss. I have I I really don't know uh about that part, but I know I heard the diss and I didn't like that part that much. It was I just like the delivery of it. I I listened to it twice just to see if I was missing something as far as the delivery goes. Uh and like Joe said, uh, some of it went over my head because maybe I'm just not that in touch with you know what's going on out there in their world. So I guess maybe just being out of tune for me. Maybe maybe it wasn't bad, maybe it was just me.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

Um Joe's mentioned how like he didn't listen to a lot. He don't listen to a lot of Jay-Z. Well, do you listen to a lot of Jay-Z or have you listened to J. Over the years? I have.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

I've listened to Jay-Z. Uh I was a a big fan. Uh really the the my favorite album was the black album, his retirement album. Um see how that went.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

But uh, a year King to come came right after that, I think.

SPEAKER_02 9:45

Yeah, so he hyped that shit up as a retirement album. But uh, you know, other people said it too, so I ain't gonna hold nothing too, hold them for that. But yeah, I've been a Jay-Z fan. I like the the old Jay-Z shit. You know, I grew up in the 90s, so you know, after Park and Big died, it was it was Jay-Z. You feel me? He came out the back. I see that on social media. Somebody was like, Man, how Jay-Z just searched for the two people that I was like, shit, I guess they was in this way. But uh, I've always respect him as an artist and even more as a businessman. Uh, I know a lot of people say that, you know. So I just let you know it must be true, right?

SPEAKER_00 10:30

No, uh, there's a Joe, there's a common concept uh perception that Jay-Z

Is Jay-Z Really Top Three

SPEAKER_00 10:40

is, if not the greatest rap of all time, a top three because of everything that he does and all that comes with the package of Jay-Z, not just the the ability to rap, right? Everything that comes with it. Do you agree or disagree?

SPEAKER_04 11:02

I would probably have to agree with that, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 11:05

Okay, don't tripping, bro. Okay, he said that.

SPEAKER_02 11:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

Well, why do you say he's tripping?

SPEAKER_02 11:13

Oh my bad, I thought I whispered. If he's there, earphones, they pick up everything. Uh so so, like, I mean, great is he in the top five, though. You feel me? Like, he in the top five, and alive, he's number one, two.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

Okay, who would you put number one?

SPEAKER_02 11:41

I just based off of, but this is our so let me get back to actually why I said it was tripping for. Uh, Joe wasn't really tripping more than the question was Joe was right as far as the question went, as far as what you asked him, because you asked him with everything combined, would that put him in the in the realm of number one? Yeah. So that Joe was right. He was 100% right when he said, yeah, because if you combine everything, but if you do it singular and just look at the music, because let's just look at that. Because that's what we that's really why he's in our face, that's why we know who he is, that's why he was able to do the business he did. So let's just look at the music part of it. He's top five. I can agree with you on that. With business, yeah, okay. You feel me? And uh, and the reason his music's top five is because of partly because of his longevity.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Yes, I agree with that. I think his long I think so for me, you know, hip hop hip-hop is still rather I can't even say the word, relatively new. Hip hop has only been around what 50 years, 52 at this point, I think.

SPEAKER_03 12:58

Yeah, I think like 52, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

So we haven't seen people actually age in hip-hop. The only people we've seen that I think age in hip-hop is Jay-Z and Nas, respectfully.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

People we're seeing now.

SPEAKER_03 13:13

People we're seeing now, like uh the elders of today's hip-hop. Would you consider Dr. Dre in that category too, or would that just be more of a producer thing, though?

SPEAKER_00 13:23

Okay, I was gonna agree. I was gonna get to that. There's other people that we have we see get older, but they didn't, they still is not as a high level as they was at one point. So, like to Will's point, the longevity of Nas and Jay-Z is still a high standard of still.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

There's some there's some other people who make that list.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Uh now, I'm gonna ask you, who are those other people?

SPEAKER_02 13:50

Well, I can name one off the top of my head, and I've been angry at him for some time, and I think I might take him off of punishment just to state this fact. Snoop Dogg. Okay, that's a great one. Snoop Dogg has stayed relevant in rap. And here's another one. This is one of my favorite ones right here, because everybody's gonna be like, damn, he's right. E40. Oh god, yeah. E40 has stayed relevant in hip-hop since the freaking late 80s, bro. Too short. So, like too short, maybe too short, shorter, but E40 for sure. E40 has made hits in every decade.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

You're right, you're right. All right, I stand correcting. Snoop Dogg, E40. Um, too, like you said, too short to some degree. I if you're decent. Depending on I was gonna say, depending on how you feel about Big Boy with Alcast, because Big Boy still releases music and it's still quality music, but it still ain't as I guess like you said, master peel. Yeah, it ain't master peel. So that's what we're gonna say. I don't know. It depends on how you look at Big Boy in that way. Because like I said, at E40, because to your point, E40, Jay-Z, Snoop, and Nas, they might not sell as much as they used to, but they still do crazy numbers. They still have an impact on the culture. People still listen to their voices. I don't know if big boy's in the same, you know, category. And I was gonna say, like Three States Mafia, yeah, they they still release music, but I don't know if people still look at them as the same as they used to. Now I think these that called the producer side, people still and juicy j people still release.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

Michelle said juicy J would have been one that she said has been relevant over the years, because he has been able to actually put move music out. You know, we just heard he just released that song with Sukiana. You feel me? So like he is.

Longevity And Who Stays Relevant

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Yeah, that's why I said as far as on the like the producer side, that's why I said DJ Power and Juicy J, they still relevant in that sense. On the music side, as far as them releasing their music, it's still not, I don't think it's still like the impact of what they used to be. When 36 Mafi used to drop.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

I mean, you dropped that Juicy J in the club, nigga, it's gonna be crazy. That bad to make a club. Uh that bad bitch superior.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

It's over a decade old at this point.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

Yeah, Bas Makeup Dead is at least 12 years old. I mean guess. I don't know off the top of my head, but if you had to if I had to guess, I would say 12 years.

(Cont.) Longevity And Who Stays Relevant

SPEAKER_00 16:47

So that's why I'm like, uh, but I do I do see the point of juicy J and uh Damn, what's her name? What's her name? DJ Bob. I couldn't think of that man's name.

SPEAKER_02 16:58

Excuse me. But yeah, there's so there's some people who have had long-term effect on the industry.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

But you know, it came out in 2012. Damn.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

Well, it's like a dance.

unknown 17:12

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

So it's what 14 years old or something like that? Yeah, 14 years. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 17:20

Y'all gonna make me feel real old now.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

Uh well. Be grateful, be grateful.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

I was gonna say, it is it's a good thing to be it is a good thing to be old.

SPEAKER_02 17:30

Yeah, it's a blessing. We got seniority on these little dubbies.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Um, y'all ever heard of hey, what's his name? Name of the album is called Octane. I can't think of his they're gonna name it. Uh my son won't be listening to him so they're gonna be there. We'll talk about it later. Uh so we're gonna get into that. Jay-Z gets a bunch of it. Right. I think the main takeaway because his album just came out, and like Will said, there was some stuff on the other side, it was Drake. Drake took a couple. I don't want to call him, I don't he spent a bar or two talking about Jay-Z. I don't know if I won't call him pull out this record, but I heard it compared to, you know, if you go out for a rebound at basketball, you give him a little elbow. It ain't it ain't really like a dirty play. You ain't give him like a full gut chest. You gave him a little bowl to get, you know, clear out some space to let them know I'm right here. I think that's what it is. It's like Drake was like letting Jay know, like, I see you. Hey, bro, whatever. You know what I'm saying? Um, like I said, Drake had those bars on Iceman where he talked about the jig is up. And he uh

Drake Shots And Publishing Talk

SPEAKER_00 18:55

he compared to because you know it was a thing on social media talking about would you rather have the dinner after dinner or like what is it, 500k or a million?

SPEAKER_03 19:04

500k or dinner with Jay Z or 500k.

SPEAKER_00 19:09

Drake said basically said, I couldn't learn nothing from any of y'all anyway, so I'm gonna take the money. Drake said, I mean, not Drake. Jay-Z said wrong charts, tell him I'm already, I'm up 10. He also said, Call Drake a worker, basically saying, You them people still own your publishing. You a worker, you work for the man. You ain't like me because I own my all my own stuff. So do you think we're gonna go to a Drake and Jay-Z discount? Or is it gonna end after this?

SPEAKER_03 19:52

I don't think that we're gonna get into a a disc thing. I don't think Jay at this point in his life is concerned with carrying out a disc, you know, like a feud. I think he just had stuff that he wanted to get off his chest, he got it off his chest, and I think he's just gonna move on, you know. I hope, let me say, I hope he doesn't, man, because you know, he's 56 years old, bro. You you don't need to worry about getting into these feuds with people like this. You ain't got nothing that you need to prove to anybody, really.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

Yes, he does, because the last time he got his ass ain't up. Both of these niggas. Jay and Drake. Both of these niggas it took two L's that they need to prove something. It's like two niggas who lost fights fighting. It's like y'all in the losers bracket. Go ahead. Figure that shit out, nigga.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Not the loser, all right, but the losers bracket, all right. Yeah, we're gonna lose it.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

But technically, they are in the losers bracket as far as the the ranks of beef go, bro. Drake took an L. It's not debatable. Niggas are still talking about it, they just wasting their breath. We know motherfucking Jay-Z took an L. Like, you he had to go sign odds to make it for self feel better. You feel me? Like, that's an old another shit. So, like, with that being said, if this was a bracket, them two niggas would go to the losers bracket, bro. Let's keep it real. Don't skirt around because of who they are. Let's just be realistic. In the world of brackets, that would place them in the losers bracket, bro. I'm not even gonna let me know. Am I right or wrong? Am I right or wrong?

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Let me ask you. Joe, do you think he's right?

SPEAKER_03 21:39

I don't know how to respond to it.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

If if teams is playing, bro, it's simple. It's written for us already. It's written, the rules are written.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

I don't watch I don't watch sports, so I can't answer that.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Okay. So let me explain it what I'm saying. Let me let me explain it. Let me explain this thing. Nah, they got the whether kind of playing. Yeah, round robins. Yeah, the round robin. So the loser. So four teams play two versus two, right? One versus one. And then the losers of each go down to the losers bracket. The winners go on.

unknown 22:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

In like Round Robins or like regular season tournaments where you everybody gotta play the same amount of games, that's what happens. The losers go play games.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

Because everybody's guaranteed games, right? So if it's like that, some niggas is technically, they would have dropped to the losers bracket.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

Will you explain it like that?

SPEAKER_02 22:49

It's just what it is. That's what they are. So this is the battle between two teams in the losers bracket. They've been there tonight for a minute waiting.

SPEAKER_03 23:00

You are this is a horrible WrestleMania main event, dog. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

I mean, when you explain it like that, technically, because I'm look, I've this whole time he's been talking, I'm trying to think. Didn't Jake battle somebody after that? But no, he really didn't. He took what he did, he took jabs at people, but he didn't really like full out battle nobody. And then, so yeah, you're right. It's like explaining like that, yes. Like a loser bracket. But I don't I wouldn't look, I don't feel comfortable calling Jay-Z his rank. I'm not calling them losers, but they're playing in the world. I know you say they're talking about the losers bracket. I feel comfortable saying they're in the losers bracket. Now I know you're not calling them losers. I just like damn, I don't know if I'm gonna say they in the losers bracket. But in the battle sense, I mean, uh, they both lost their last battle.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

But let me ask you a question, bro. If if you lose, what does that make you?

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Oh, person who lost the metro. Someone may shorten it and call you a I'm not loser.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

The good people of America and other countries are listening right now. Oh give me the truth, man.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

They watch football, they watch another type of football over there. They listen.

SPEAKER_02 24:27

Um I like a little, I like a little football. That's one of my favorite sports.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

Yeah, I went to my first football match the other day. Well, what how was it?

The Losers Bracket Theory

SPEAKER_00 24:40

Well, yeah, elaborate. Well, one it was one to zero. That's that's not too uncommon, though, right? No, that's that's about right, yeah. It's right, but I felt like it would be more attempts at goals. Oh, you wanted more action. Yeah, basically. And then it also don't, if if it was one of zero and my team uh one, then I'd be like, okay, you know, I understand it. But then when you it's one of zero and your team lose, and you feel like they didn't, you know, goals, now I gotta, and now I feel, you know, like, oh, this was up. It was back to another one. It was like four kids over here, they had more action over there trying to get the crowd reacting than what was going on on the pitch. I'm using their terminology. But yeah, uh back to our jerk and jay. I asked Joe, we'll do you think we'll get a Dre and Jay, Drake and Jay Z back and forth. Uh since you put them in the loser's bracket. I mean, do you think they're gonna value it out in this bracket?

SPEAKER_02 26:00

You do get to come out, Joe. That was part that we didn't explain. Uh a loser does come out of that bracket with a chance to participate. But uh Yeah, uh I don't know, man. Honestly, no. That's only what I'm hoping, you know. No. Uh hoping let it be what it is, what it was. Uh majority of the world, I'm guessing well, not majority, a nice portion of it is nothing. Uh, so I'm hoping that it stays that way. I did like the shot, even when he took it political too, though. See, I just worried about that other shit. And they can start talking to the Republicans and shit.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

Yeah, we're gonna get there. Yeah. Well, we might get there. Um, so for me, so I was listening to this podcast, right? And the guy is, he's y'all know who Biggs is, right? Rockefeller Okay. He's Biggs' little brother. So he's been around Rockefeller his entire life. But he's currently fan, he's friends with Drake. So Drake texts him, and he's watching the game. Uh the Western Conference Finals in the NBA. He's watching the game, and Drake texts him and said, Hey, Holmes just dissed me on the stage. He like, what'd he say? Because you know, I'm watching the game, you know. He Drake talked about what he said. And even Drake was like, Y'all knew this was coming because of the Roots picnic. I don't know. I don't know if I want Drake and Jay-Z to go back and forth. But I feel like they are gonna go back and forth. Because in fact, I don't see Drake as being the one to be like, I he got he did his roots picnic, I'm gonna let it fly. But nigga, you took the shot first. What you mean? True. I get what you're saying. I don't think it's gonna be like, so let me also say, I don't feel like it's gonna be like a full disc record, but it's gonna be more jabs like they already was doing. Because let's be honest, them two have been trading jabs with each other, like Drake did with Kendrick. They've been trading jabs at each other for years. Even though they did songs together in between of them taking jabs at each other, they still take the jabs at each other because as like we talked about, many people see Jay as that guy, and Drake was working towards being that guy. I don't think Drake, I think Drake always knew he was gonna end up battling Jay. I don't think he ever thought he was actually gonna battle Kendrick. It just so happened to happen. Because this whole situation started with Drake sending Kendrick the record, and Kendrick didn't get on it fast enough, so he called Cole to get on the record. I don't think he ever thought he was gonna be battling Kendrick. I thought he always was gonna be battling, he probably always thought he was gonna be battling Jay. So I feel like Drake is not really prepared, because can you really be prepared to battle Jay-Z? But I feel like he already had that in the back of his mind. Like I said, I don't think we're gonna get a full-out disreference from Drake, but I do think we're gonna get some more jabs. And then with Jay-Z doing that extra endings next year, I mean later this summer, he'd probably get another Jay-Z freestyle. And it's gonna be more Drake bars.

SPEAKER_04 29:36

That's just what I think. I could be wrong.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Um so he also took some shots at his former

Kanye West And Family Lines

SPEAKER_00 29:50

partner in crime, Kanye West. Which imagine why Jay-Z was on this roof picnic stage, Kanye West was in Turkey performing in front of 100,000 plus people. I think it was 120,000 people. Kanye has said multiple things about Jay-Z's family. Jay-Z in response said, basically said, That man always acting crazy. Put him in front of me, he I bet he ain't gonna act, he ain't gonna act crazy no more.

SPEAKER_04 30:28

Joe, how do you feel about Kanye West in general?

SPEAKER_03 30:32

Now Kanye West is a musical genius, but as we know, genius borders insanity so much that I think that man has tiptoed that line to the point where he doesn't know when he crosses it. But you cannot deny, I mean, even on his last album that he just put out, man, you listen to some of the beats on it and everything, it's like he still has that ability. It's just for the love of God, he cannot ever keep his damn mouth shut. And sometimes, you know what I'm saying? Like, I guess I guess sometimes that was a good thing for him in the past, but then he just kind of let it go too far. And now it's just like you've you've let that fountain spew so much that nobody even, it's hard for people to look at his creative genius the same way anymore without that negative, you know what I'm saying, undertone of what he has said and what he has become. And that sucks, man, because dude is still dealing pounding.

SPEAKER_00 31:55

Right. He is a musical genius. He also has said a lot of stuff about this man's kids. Yes. Well, me and you both have kids. That's right. Jay basically said, Hey bro, put the plan before I stab you. Because he rapped about the person that he stabbed, and then he just went into the Kanye situation. Uh his face got serious when he talked about Kanye. At least to me, from my perspective. You know what I'm saying? My his face got serious when he talked about Kanye. Because again, like with the Nikki situation, y'all be talking about my family and my kids. Uh Will, I feel like Kanye West dropped crossed the line. You feel like Kanye West crossed the line when he kept referring to Jay-Z keys.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

Of course, man. You know, that's the age old rule though, right? Yeah. But it's it's sad because it's broken so often in today's society. You know, children leave them out of ain't got nothing to do with nothing. They're almost in like a bubble, you know. We don't speak on them. Even if they run around, the diapers don't pee on their shelf and shit. You don't talk about nobody's little raggedy ass kids. You just keep that to yourself. So, Kayas definitely gotta say anything about Jay-Z kids. This is what it is. So Jay-Z deserves to be mad. If I was Jay, I probably would have put a little more time on it. Uh, just because he spoke for my kids. That's what if anybody I was coming for, majority of the song would be about. Majority of the freestyle would have been about time. Uh because I have to be sending their honor, you know. That's just what it is. I can't let them come at them no type of way. Because they it's forever. What you say is forever in this day and age. You know, it ain't hearsay no more. He print shit out and show you it, you know, like what you say is forever. So yeah, I would have to definitely say something to him, put a little more time on it, and uh let him know I wasn't uh gonna accept that ever again. Use your thoughts, keep it to yourself.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

See the uh in the in the freestyle, he uh addressed multiple people, but the name with Kanye West, I wish you would have said his name. And the only reason I say I wish you would have said his name and make it more direct, because like you said, we're talking, you're talking about my kid. And me and you have more than anybody else that we I talked about in this freestyle, me and you have history. We have an album called Watch the Throne. You were signed to Rockefeller. We have a strong and a long history together. And for the fact that you switched up, even though Kanye West has apologized recently for the things he said, and even when after he would say some of the stuff, he told at one point he told Jay-Z, don't sing your ghouls to kill me. So you know the stuff you're saying is wrong, but you continuously said it and you never apologize or reached out to that person to apologize. Well, do you accept the apology when he finally apologizes? Well, no, once you go to kids, yeah. When we pass apologies, right? Yeah, we pass apologies. But at least that if you you apologize apologize for the people you hurt, but didn't apologize to individual people. That's why I ain't really a big fan of Kanye no more because of the fact, all right, cool, you apologize, but you apologize because you come back out and you had an album coming out, and you going back on tour, you was going to do shows again. I don't really feel like it was concerned. That's just me.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

Why does it always feel like the only time they ever want to either start beef or squash a beef is when they're about to either release a new album or go on tour?

SPEAKER_00 36:07

That's for things.

SPEAKER_03 36:13

You remember back when rappers were getting shot every time they had a mixtape coming out? Yep. Locked up. Yeah, locked up, shot, something like that. And every time they'd be like, Oh, I'm all good, man. Check out my new mixtape, it's gonna be on that tips here soon. It's like, bro, you didn't have to take a bullet to promote this.

SPEAKER_00 36:32

I think it's the only way they're gonna get seen. That's the only way they're gonna get hit.

SPEAKER_03 36:36

Promotion is hell out here.

SPEAKER_02 36:40

Yeah, I think that's crazy though. Even if that's that's almost ridiculous. I mean for the people to keep falling for the

When Apologies Stop Working

SPEAKER_02 36:50

at that point, the rap industry was the same as the wrestling.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

Right rap and wrestling.

SPEAKER_02 37:01

I was gonna say so much simple. Yeah, well at that point, at this point, they're marrying each other. If that's if that's where we're at, if we're at the point where it has to go this way, because like I mean, let's let's let's always when it comes to beef, we always harp on one of the most legendary beeps in history, right? We always go back to the biggest these guys die.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

Okay. But can I ask y'all a question? Y'all, you know what I'm saying? Y'all can tell me if I'm wrong. Like you said, we always go back to the biggie and Tupac V. But that was like a real life beat, because in all honesty, all honesty, he never released a kiss record in Tupac. Tupac released a record, but Biggie never, he took again, go back to he took a jail, but he never really, he never dissed. So how do how do we classify that as far as when it comes to rap? We know real life, you know, stuff happens, but as far as when it comes to music and entertainment, if we strictly talk about music, is that really a that really was never a battle because it was once that right?

SPEAKER_03 38:29

Yeah. I mean, between those two it was, you know, in a way, there was a lot of people obviously who came from the east coast, you know, like they kind of jumped in it to defend Big E when Biggie was necessarily like, I'm not doing this with him. Because I think I feel like Big knew that that that wasn't really Tupac doing it. You know what I'm saying? Like Pac had so many people in his ear and doing all this kind of stuff, and he just kind of looked at it like, I don't really want to get involved in this person because I think he still looked at him like a friend, and he was like, nah, man, I ain't doing this for my dude. Like, you know, you look back and you see those videos and stuff with those two sitting around playing, and then you see him like performing and you hear songs with the two together.

SPEAKER_02 39:13

It's like, I don't know, I don't feel like Biggie wanted anything to do with that, but sorry guys, I lost audio for a second.

SPEAKER_00 39:25

Oh, it's not we um I was talking about the um Tupac and Biggie, where it was one side that Biggie never really said anything towards Tupac. Like Joe said, other people said stuff to Tupac, but Biggie never did. So when we think of classic rap thieves, we put that in there, but is that really necessarily a classic rap beef? I feel like it was more like to your point, it was more wrestling, it was more promotional.

SPEAKER_04 39:55

It was more East Coast versus West Coast as the theory or the beef between East Coast and West Coast, but it was never really a rap beef between two parts. I can understand where you're coming from.

SPEAKER_02 40:14

Um but I don't know, I think if he if he asked people from encamped, they would say the beef existed. So it was friction. Uh and maybe it was because of the friendship that was out. So I think that's what like you said, it was so heavily influenced by the camps. So maybe that's why everybody sees you as such a brand becoming.

SPEAKER_00 40:59

This is gonna be the last one

Should Nicki Minaj Rap Back

SPEAKER_00 41:00

we're gonna get into before I ask something else. He referenced Nicki Minaj. And I uh he talked about you know uh a child's father and his past legal troubles and the things he can't do. He also talked about her stutter. They also say because we we seen uh Jay-Z with the dress and the long locks, but he had the afro because she always said everything he his hair is a weed. So a lot of people believe he picked it all out to symbolize like you ain't talking about nothing, this is my real hair. I wanna ask both of y'all the same question because I asked this of jerseys on uh shout out to the mixed bass podcast. Do y'all think Nikki Minaj should respond to Jay-Z in rap form? Not Instagram. She already posted something on Instagram, but not on Instagram, not on Twitter. Not on uh I have to find it. But basically, she said, she said, child, please. I have to find the uh what she said, but I'll look it up after I ask y'all this. Uh, do y'all think she should respond in rap form? The reason I asked y'all that is because we all look at Nikki Minaj as an actual rapper. She ain't like these other female rappers who got other people writing for them a lot and don't have much to say. We know Nikki can actually write. We know Nikki can actually rap. A lot of people look at her, look at her as the greatest female rapper of all time. Do y'all think Nikki Minash was wise to Jay-Z? Will I ask you first?

SPEAKER_02 42:41

Can I ask a question real quick? I don't know how much how much truth is this, but how much of her early music did Safari write?

SPEAKER_00 42:50

Uh, he did write some of it. I don't want to say he wrote like all of it, but he did write some of it.

SPEAKER_02 42:55

Yeah. Yeah, I liked a lot of that early shit. The later shit I wasn't a big fan of. But I will say she has put some numbers to be considered one of the greatest female rappers of all the time. I won't leave her throne for the greatest because Missy Elliott will forever be, forever be the greatest female rapper of all time in my heart. Uh but yeah, she if I mean Nikki knows how to write. She knows how to write stuff. As a matter of fact, don't even write nothing. Freestyle some shit. You feel me?

SPEAKER_00 43:32

I ain't see. I ain't see. Hey, Jay Freestyle some shit. Freestyle. That wasn't no freestyle. We call him the freestyle. That just wasn't no damn freestyle. He somebody files off for like two, three years.

SPEAKER_02 43:44

But you know how they do it now, though, right? They call it a freestyle because they didn't sit down and write it. They just like free wrote some of uh recorded some other stuff and you know, recorded some more type shit. You feel me?

SPEAKER_03 43:57

Oh, they did a little Wayne method.

SPEAKER_02 43:59

Yeah, you that Ouija method so that's freestyling that you just recording your writing instead of writing it down. We're not doing that. But uh but yeah sh do your thing Nikki uh come out with a with something even if it's just like a little you know 90 second little quick little reference to Jay or something you know like it ain't gotta be a whole track we ain't gotta have to give you three minutes come out with something uh entertainment people if you ended on that to answer Joe's question imagine being a grown man worried about Onika in the year 2026 that's all I'm gonna say anyways next question Papa Bird can say aha now that's what she said that's how she said uh Joe do you would you be interested in a Nicki Minaj response you can almost say no you ain't gonna respectfully I wouldn't be interested in hearing shit out of her mouth yeah oh yeah I mean she's she she's a piece of piece of work um uh but you know she's gonna keep talking regardless of if you're gonna keep talking then say something you hear me if you're gonna keep talking say something that's that's yeah I can't even get in I don't know about that one

Beef Is Bad Then Why Diss

SPEAKER_02 45:30

anymore.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

Okay cool.

SPEAKER_02 45:33

He diss the mother people but those three we're gonna talk about but speaking of overall him dissing people he also was in the interview about a month ago talking about how Ralph beeps is bad for the culture and a month later you dissing people on the stage um what he said right I mean it's what he said okay I didn't even know nothing about that well damn yeah I figured all the way to the end uh yeah because they asked him about Kendrick being on the Super Bowl halftime and then he wrapped it around to how rap beats is bad for the coaching now and all this other stuff manager like we'll talk about how he did was in a rap battle a very public rap battle with a man named uh by the name of Nas Will is that do you think it's hypocritical not do you think it's hypocritical what is your thoughts on this hypocritical stance that this man said a month ago rap beeps is bad and a month later he on the roof pick next stage taking jabs at me is he just gonna get this off by these ain't rap beeps these is just a freestyle nah he can't he can't play he can't play with that okay that's that's that's what Rap Beef said any form of delivering it freestyle uh a whole flat out song dedicate a whole album to me anyway you deliver it it's still beat on your shit and reference so what do you think about the his hypocritical stinks that kind of disappoints me but I don't know man that's oh wait why you say it's the just if I don't I don't like it when somebody's you know out there like practice what you preach I guess is the best way to put it like if you go say it don't go right back around and be go against completely you know like don't go don't go against what you just said you know like I would never put my feet on Eddie Murphy's couch yeah I put my feet on Eddie Murphy's couch he rich he can buy another one like you know like come on man like you you're supposed to be better than this bro you can't do that hey well I I will say this though locking change in my mind not that quick especially now you're talking about battle of people hey now look at maybe maybe I got my last draw bruh ain't nobody said nothing to that ain't nobody said nothing else to that man in the past month all that stuff Ice man just came out then all right cool the Jay the Drake thing all right that's sad in you're right okay the him and Drake been going back and forth for years that's what said it off but Drake saying the jig is up and saying I would rather I would rather take the money and not go to dinner everybody on the internet saying they would rather take the money and not go to dinner hey you can't tell a person when when they reach their breaking point all right now we all I mean hey right or wrong though you can't tell someone when their breaking point has been reached a bad day it's it's third pm I was gonna

Drake Album Reactions And Farewell

SPEAKER_02 49:10

say he done had a bad day maybe he was having a bad day he went out there and said how he felt like you know what fuck it doing all right I'm gonna ask both of y'all this question because I know that that's for both I just want to put it on wax that's all uh Joe how far have you got an Iceman I'm sorry my audio's breaking up here man okay okay cool you okay cool good cool cool we I'll let I come back to that will uh how how far you got an Iceman so at work they listen to the album uh I listen to it I listened to it you know at work um so I haven't got to say that but but and hey they mean me and me as a group sometimes I refer you know what hold on I'm about to pull it up real quick here a second and I can tell you like what song I listen I listened to a little bit uh I can't tell you exactly the name of the song okay one song that I did quite I thought it was okay but I have to go back to listen again but I'm not that interested in going back and listening again.

SPEAKER_00 50:36

I was gonna say let's not let's not pretend like you actually gonna go back and listen to it. We know the outcome I knew the outcome that's why I wanted to ask both of y'all at the same time because I knew neither one of y'all had really listened to the Drake album I've never really got a Drake album listened to it though.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

I think I made it third surprise for me.

SPEAKER_00 50:55

Track eight okay what did you say? He went to track eight yeah I thought I thought he said trick and I was like damn I'm gonna get a song called trick but I think I'm gonna send him that uh that idea though because that does sound like a Drake song right there track yeah hey I wonder what the hell can't do it uh I was gonna look that up uh but nah man I don't I've never really been the type to listen to a whole Drake album so like it's not on sound for me to not have listened to this I'm not a good judge I knew both of y'all had listened to it so I just wanted to ask you no little look on me at the end of the pod because I knew neither one of y'all listened to it yeah it ain't got nothing on that gorilla album I'm still listening to that rocking that shit every day gorilla yeah okay that shit was fire that came out last year but came out last year that shit was still fire that shit fire who you are you trapped in the hood getting test by the police like you you going to law school you're a doctor everybody can listen to that shit that's just to the album I personally feel like everybody can listen to Iceman that's just me you know I am uh I am a Drake fan so I will go back and listen under those uh words of advice okay all right all right uh I probably won't man but hey me neither I was gonna say we'll ain't neither he might he might cut it off but he ain't gonna you know pay attention to what's on you know what I mean he can be lying like a mole you said what you said it's gonna be on the background while he vacuuming or some shit you know hey not vacuuming though that's crazy that's wow it's a break glass itself I appreciate you I hope to see y'all soon man quit playing y'all write some emails I'm gonna start a whole bunch of robot accounts you have a whole bunch of robot accounts you have a shit out of your ass bro uh give me back on the show y'all they playing with me in the dark baby robots let me shine let me shine thank you sir you're welcome back uh Joe I appreciate you coming on as always it's a pleasure man thanks y'all for listening to another episode of Hold Up and another thing presented by Mix Vaz Media and you already know the vibes it's your boy Mr. Dale aka aka say your name up on this pie might not be with you to my catch y'all on the next one y'all be easy y'all be careful y'all have a wonderful day